Human Up Season 2 Ep 1: Breaking the Chains of Addiction
This is a transcript of Human Up Podcast Season 2, Episode 1 with Dr. Robb Kelly, which you can watch and listen to here:
Dave: Welcome to the Human Up Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Marlon, and it is a huge honor to have Dr. Robb Kelly on. Welcome, Robb.
Dr. Robb: Thank you so much. Hey guys, great to see you. Thanks for having me on, Dave. It's brilliant. I love this.
Dave: No, it's a pleasure and I appreciate you reaching out. And to me, there's not a lot of us who are both clinically trained and also understand recovery firsthand. So to me, we are unique cats.
Dr. Robb: I love, yeah, exactly. I don't know whether you agree, maybe not, but I truly believe that if you've gone through alcoholism and addiction, then you can help people in alcohol addiction. It's a bit harder if you haven't and just got the diploma. I know that for a fact. But yes, we're different animals. Dave.
Dave: We are. Could you start by telling us a little bit about your recovery journey?
Dr. Robb: Sure. So I was born into a musical family back in Manchester, England, and I was on stage at nine years old with my auntie and uncle playing the bars in the pubs. Got my first guitar, two or three I think it was. So yeah, I mean I remember doing a gig in Liverpool and I was so nervous after the first act, we did two acts that in the interval my uncle gave me a beer, said, drink this down, your nerves will go. And that's where it kicked off for me. So I went to college, did okay through life. And then Friday and Saturday and Sunday when I played with the band became Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then before I know what day it was, I'm drinking seven days a week, but hey, I've got a pRobblem. And he's just continued. And of course, as we know, it's a progressive illness. And what happened to me is that everything left there. I lost everything. Children crying, children, housewife, kids medical license, proper medical license in the UK as a physician and yeah, end up homeless. And that's what it took me, died twice on the streets in England actually. And it brought me back to life.
It was a weird deal. I remember stabbing my wife three times one night because she won't let me finish my bottle of vodka, stabbing her. And I had to speak to Spain because there was an attempted murder charge on me. So yeah, I was in Spade for three months until our charges were dropped. Just crazy ride, crazy ride.
Dave: So I understand the bottom. That's terrible. And I have one as well, but tell me what lifeline, what did you grab to help pull you out?
Dr. Robb: Well, I had a spiritual experience that was wild. I, in the back ends of Manchester, rainy, two o'clock in the morning, no people there. I dropped down to my hands and knees and I started to cry like a baby. This is 14 months on the streets. I wasn't crying. I lost my wife and children right there and then after everything I've been through, I realized I couldn't stop drinking and it took all of that. So I remember looking up to the sky as an atheist, I don't know why, and said, if there's a gut up there, I can't do this on my own anymore. 30 seconds later, a guy walked around the corner, middle of nowhere, missed his last bus home from a bible study, took a shortcut he's never took before, come across me. He took me back to his house and he said, you can stay for as long as you want Robb, but you've got to come to these meetings with me. And I'm like, I don't want to go to the meetings. He said, brother, can't have you drinking. I can't be drinking. So I went where I met a guy called John who called himself a recovered alcoholic. And yeah, that was an angel, was John because we could never trace him after I worked with him and 90% of what I do today is what he taught me.
Dave: Oh, that's beautiful. And it's interesting. So you and I, we each were saved and in turn have learned that we could save others.
Dr. Robb: Oh God, isn't that amazing? It's so beautiful. Isn't that I gifted? He didn't give it to the surgeons or the politicians. He gave it to us, man, when we've been down there. But yeah, it's been a crazy beautiful ride.
Dave: Oh it is. And I absolutely share your enthusiasm as well as the spiritual impact. You mentioned you used to play music. Do you still play music?
Dr. Robb: I have a full-blown music room in my house, drums, PAs, and I get some people to come around probably once every three months now. I have six guitars in the office. I've not picked one up for about a month or so. Yeah, no, I've got, I own four companies, so I tend to get busy a lot with what I do. So yeah, that was often as I like.
Dave: Okay. Now I've heard you've been referred to as the Gordon Ramsey of the addiction world. Why is that?
Dr. Robb: Well, Gordon phrased that. I know Gordon is a good friend of mine. He said, I've heard you cur people in the office. And I'm like, it's a no-nonsense disease we're dealing with once or you don't. And I tell patients this or patients, mothers and fathers, I don't care whether you come on board or not. It doesn't make any difference to me. But if you do, you're might gut. And what we've found with the neuroscience that we teach today, the epigenetics and stuff like that is a lot of the times you have to shut the brain. You can't just sit there and go, Hey, we're going to do this or what. So I'm known to curse. I'm known to be a little bit different to the other people in addiction out there. And we have a 98 day, I'm going to say it again. We have got 98% success rate with 11 and half thousand patients with a money back guarantee. Which means if you leave us after three months and you relapse, you've got to be following our program and suggestions. If you relapse, I'm going to refund your money. Nobody in the world does that. We have an amazing program.
Dave: Wow, that's awesome. I love the kind of hardcore Gordon Ramsey approach. One of my things I like to tell people is when they're hemming and hawing about this, I say, well, good news, this is a progressive disease and it's going to get worse. That's actually the good news.
Dr. Robb: Yeah, crazy.
Dave: Now I have some unique perspectives on trauma and the way it intersects with substance use disorders. I believe you do too. And ours seem to be a little different. So I want to kind of pin down a little bit on trauma. What's your position on trauma and early childhood experiences that shape addictive disorders?
Dr. Robb: Well, when we look at the neuroscience behind all of this, alcoholics are born and drug addicts are made. So we have a predisposition, the hypothalamus and basal ganglia, they're made to culprits of the disease, mainly with the hypothalamus. So people who suffer from kind of addiction and stuff like that, we hear things different because we're more sensitive to a trauma that's happened. So when we dug deep, we found out a trauma is not a mom hitting dad or a car crash or plane crash. It goes way deeper than that. That scars us and becomes learned behavior and enmeshment from birth, which I continue to carry on. Whatever I learn in the house and happens to me is how I act today if I haven't cleared this stuff up. So we're very big on uncovering, discovering, discarding the childhood trauma. If we do not, and I believe everybody has it, if you say you don't have it, you're pRobbably worse than other people that have it because we block out, as you know, I'm not telling you anything you don't know, Dave. I'm speaking to the audience. We block most of our trauma sits in a subconscious brain. That subconscious brain wakes us up every morning. We've got to get rid of that. And the conscious brain needs to be reignited first thing in the morning. But yeah, it's the gateway drug as far as I'm concerned. It's the gateway drug, whether you're alcoholic, addict, depression, whatever it is, it's the gateway drug.
Dave: That's interesting. So after you explain that a little more, we're actually more aligned than I expected. I believe that addiction is a biologically based disease. And I think I was born with the gene defect and the propensity to compulsivity, granted I had traumas those affected me. I learned at a very young age, I was 16 when I learned the solution to all my pRobblems was cold beer and it progressed and got worse and worse until I was alone, locked in a room and everything was gone. That's crazy. Now, when people tell me that, well they drink because of the trauma, I usually say, I don't think so. I drink because that's the way you're wired or the way I'm wired now. I have had traumas which have exacerbated and facilitated this process to accelerate my dive into compulsivity and then all the things that alcoholism takes away from us.
Dr. Robb: Love that, Dave. I love that. Yeah, definitely. You're line with me right there.
Dave: When I came into recovery, they asked me what my pRobblems were and I say, well, I really only have three pRobblems. I got a wife pRobblem, I got a work pRobblem, and I have a police pRobblem because I had an alcohol solution.
Dr. Robb: Oh, so true. So true. If it was only the alcohol, we could stop. Wouldn't that be amazing?
Dave: And the fact that that was only a tight, that's a very small, that's a symptom of our problems. I really had a thinking pRobblem and have you
Dr. Robb: To my website. That's my catch rate. We don't have a drinking pRobblem. We have a thinking pRobblem.
Dave: Oh wow. Okay.
Dr. Robb: Alright. Lemme tell you come from, I don't know whether I'm homeless at this time, I don't know, but I'm stood outside and liquor store slash news agent back in England. I have a vest, pair of shorts, flip flops on, I'm sweating and it's snowing and I'm stuck outside the door and he knows who I am and he opens the door quietly, gets me and closes the door quick because if you get in trouble for this and whatever happened, I don't know why it happened out. I walked up to the counter and I put my 10 pounds on it. I've got a banging headache, I'm sweating, I can't speak. And he puts the bottle on the counter and this is what happened. Hey buddy. Sweats went, shakes went, headache went. And I remember looking at the bottle, Dave, and looking back at the shopkeeper and looking back at the bottle, I went, holy moly, it's not about the alcohol. That's what it's, it's like I didn't believe that if it was the alcohol every time I touched sense of gold as a young man, but I couldn't stop this. And I knew it was beyond my control. It's pRobbably beyond human aid. We've heard that before.
Dave: Yes, we
Dr. Robb: Have. That's why we went into the neuroscience and we went into the findings of the brain aggressively because I was pissed why I'd lost everything and not one doctor could tell me what was wrong with me. And they still can't. Today doctors, if you listening, God bless you. You don't get the intricate details of alcoholism, addiction. You want to stick somebody with a pill. And as I'm concerned, it's not always the case. There are times when we need medication, when it comes to site, you got to just be a little bit careful. That's all. Because we do that, David, if we're depressed, we say to our wives, Hey, I'm depressed. Go and see the doctor. So we go and see the doctor. He doesn't ask about my diet, my exercise, my family, my work. He prescribes a depression medication and I go over and I take it and all it is is a false serotonin. Two questions. Why isn't anybody asking why my serotonin is low in the first place? And secondly, I get people in all the time, David, and you go, Dr. Robb, you don't understand. I'm so depressed. And I go, okay, how long have you been depressed? About four years. Do you take medication for Yeah, yeah. I've been taking medication for three years. When do you think he's going to kick in? He's still depressed and he's still taking the medication. I don't get it. I don't get it.
Dave: Yes, I've had the same conversation with clients who they're taking an opioid for pain. And I said, well, how long have you been doing this? Same thing, three years. Well, I'm like, well, let's see. They were designed for acute pain. You've now transitioned into chronic use. We're clearly into dependence. We've clearly developed tolerance. And when I quiz them about their pain, I usually hear emotional words as opposed to physical words as far as describing the pain. That's interesting. That crossover in the context of healing. Do you believe that fathers or parents carry a unique role in modeling recovery for breaking generational
Dr. Robb: Trauma? Fathers as in they have the disease to change their children. Is that what you mean?
Dave: I guess to summarize it, do you believe in generational trauma?
Dr. Robb: A hundred percent. Well, everything I talk about, we spent over 1000001.5 million on researchers over the last 20 years have been here. The investment and the lent behavior is the key. So when we look at investment and learned behavior, it's either self-sabotage or it's nurturing. So we did lots of research around this with family systems that we do a strong statement, but bear with me guys, anything less than nurturing is child abuse when we look at it. So if you are letting your kid go upstairs to gain for nine hours, first of all, I'll show you a future addict. And secondly, what you're setting him up for, failing man. I mean, there's no communication skills, nothing like that. So I think household, even though we believe alcoholics are born, we've placed it back to imprinted cells and Peter's level. But I think the surroundings around us can either make us or breakers.
And the experiment we did with a lot of people was the girl growing up in the family system, but the dad was an alcoholic and he used to come a couple of nights drunk and him and mom would get into a fist fight and she'd be watching this and they'd all go to bed, get him the next morning, and mom would go, I love you. And he, oh, I love you too. Sorry about last night. What's the kid learning? She's learning that violence equals love. So when she leaves the house, she will attract the same person that ends up beating her and pRobbably alcoholic to the extent that if she meets a nice guy, she will self-sabotage that because that is not love.
Dave: Boy, I can't tell you how many times I've seen that pattern.
Dr. Robb: Crazy. Crazy.
Dave: Yeah. Here's a meatball. What's the worst mistake a family member could make when their loved one is in active addiction?
Dr. Robb: Well, for me, the first mistake we make of course is trying to enable, we always try and enable. So that's the first mistake. Are you helping or enabling? We believe that anybody can recover. We believe that we can cure addiction and Alzheimer's and stuff like that. Alzheimer's in early stages, depression, anxiety. So yeah, I mean it's just got to be a little bit sensible about this. It it's a disease that needs controlling and as far as addictions goes, it needs curing because addiction equals addictive personality. How do we know that? Well, we did our own trials on that and 93% of people that come through our door in all five offices around the world started in a doctor's office. So that is obviously a learned behavior. If I take this then obviously, so again, going back to the worst mistake you can make is people don't talk to each other.
People just think it's embarrassing. People don't want to talk because they think they're the pRobblem and it's only them and they're the failure still in society today. So dialogue number one, brilliant. Ignoring it. No, if you think your kid's smoking dope or taking drugs in his bedroom or sneaking in alcohol, go search his bedroom. And the first things mom says is, oh no, I can't do. That's his privacy. Either that or find him dead in a couple of months time. And then who do we blame? Will we blame the both of you? There's no such thing as privacy. If your kid's down the wrong way, you can't change this shit and he doesn't have to die. That's the only reason I'm still in this game, Dave. I could have retired years ago, sick to death of watching people die, especially from lack of knowledge. If you are going in the treatment center for this third or fourth time and you're still paying 30 grand a month to get in there, shame on you, Mr. Treatment center owner, what are you teaching? Because you keep relapsing when they leave your place or what are you, I don't get it. And all of a sudden you know that your place is amazing. There's a hundred people that are amazing. You always get that one or two guys in this for the money and I don't think there's a place for that. They give us all a bad name.
Dave: Boy, I have two things I want to mention. One, I might even be more draconian where I tell people that if you have a person who has a substance use, anything you do, if you give 'em an allowance, if you give 'em the car, if you give 'em a sweater because they're shivering, if you give 'em a bowl of soup because they're hungry, anything you do to a person in active addiction is enabling unless you just get them to treatment or you get them help. When you are on the street in Manchester or the only thing somebody should have done is just what that angel did is grab your hand and bring you home and say, we're going to take you to a meeting and help you get Well, that cycle needs to be broken because it's progressive, because it's chronic and because it's deadly. A second thing I do want to mention, and hopefully I'll pique your curiosity, you might judge me when I tell you that I only have an 87% success rate.
Dr. Robb: Oh, see what I'm talking? That's what I'm talking about, Dave. Oh my. That's what I'm talking about.
Dave: But 80% of my clients are unhoused. I run a clinic in what's called the corridor of hope in downtown Las Vegas. We don't take any money. Every human who walks in and we have a hundred people each week who walk in our door and we take 'em through a process. We kind of have three keys. We have immediate access. So if you are ready to stop, you walk in our door, we're going to help you. Two, we have integrated care with all the bells, whistles and modalities. And then three is we have longer durations of treatment. So our average client stays with us for five and a half months, which if you are unhoused and using fentanyl for 10 years in Las Vegas, don't ask me to get you well in a week or a two week or three week treatment episode. I need some time for those pathways to get rewired. I know that I could address physiological dependence in a week or two or three weeks tops, but the psychological dependence and the neurotransmitter rewiring, that just takes time.
Dr. Robb: Do you know how long I've waited for somebody to say that being on the same level? Because when I first came to America 20 years ago, they stripped me out my license. They said I was hurting people and what I was teaching, because we was teaching neuroscience back then, I knew there was something different. I lectured to those guys, by the way now without licensing. But yeah, you're right. And neuro pathways need to change. Otherwise the same pattern will repeat whether you like it or not. We look at the basal ganglia with alcoholics, it's a defect. They will all self-sabotage, always self-sabotage over a period of time. So you get the job, you get the kids back, bang, we're gone. Again, if that's not rewired and reprogrammed, then you're going to relapse. And guess what? One of these times you're going to die. That's the bottom line. If you don't do this, you're going to die. If there was an exception to the rule, it would've been me. I was the guy that turned to goal. I was the golden boy at school. I was the musician and I be role playing with El and John. I'm the man, the man, the man. But every time I took alcohol, I was kicked down to the dust every single time. I couldn't beat it.
Dave: Same
Dr. Robb: Man. You're an interesting guy. Dude. I've got two patients in Vegas. I think I'm over there a couple of weeks. I'm going to come and see you.
Dave: Oh yes, well please do. We have a really fascinating center. I used to run a commercial place, kind of like the ones that you were throwing shade on earlier. I ran the largest one in the state for many years and then I sold it to a publicly traded company. And in prayer afterwards I said, you know what? I need to take all these skills and we need to deliver this to the people who need it the most are most underserved because we have a homelessness crisis happening all around our country. And one thing I've learned, of the 2,500 people who walked in our door last year, we put them all through a clinical assessment. 94% of them were found to have a serious substance use disorder. 94% of the people who we did a homeless intervention on and brought in. So to me, when people say, oh, substance use and homelessness, they may be related. I'm like, boy, those two Venn diagrams have a lot of crossover. In our experience, it's been 94%. Wow. You talked about your money back guarantee, which is amazing. Could you tell me a little bit more about your model? It looks like, is it an outpatient sober coaching model?
Dr. Robb: So most of our work is telehealth. We have offices in Dallas, San Antonio and Manchester, London, Switzerland, Spain. But most of it, 95% of our work is telehealth. We use tools. So it's a 90 day program, one hour a day, no days off, no Christmases off. And if you are married, your partner must come on for two days a week. If they don't, we will not take them because what we found is if you go to a treatment center and it's family weekend and you get the wife bashing the husband and the kid's bashing, it doesn't work. So when we bring the wife in and do her work on her trauma living in the alcoholic house, the success rate goes up by 42% alone. So both bring to your same different rafts and we'll pull you in as you do your own separate work.
We use stuff like brainspotting, nine dimensional subliminal messaging. We NLP, we do somatic experience. We do a lot of subliminal work to change them patterns. Yeah, I mean we go over the top with I only take four patients only three months, but we have a hundred patients right now that all my therapists and coaches work with. I'm like a concierge doctor. I just worked with four people at a time. But the model is the same. If we can reprogram the mind or when we reprogram the mind, the behavior clear up the hypothalamus. This is what I didn't understand about the hypothalamus, and guys, this is some news you can take home. So when we studied the hypothalamus, we found out in alcoholics only. Well first of all, a hypothalamus controls like our temperature, but it also is our survival part of the brain. It tells us to drink water, eat food to survive.
That's its main job from birth. It tells you that every day. The pRobblem is with alcoholics, and this is why we are born and not made, you can't drink yourself to become an alcoholic is the hypothalamus hijacks the alcoholic's brain at a certain point and tells the alcoholic to drink a alcohol only. That's why everything else is the minimus, family, friends, because my brain, the survival part is telling me I have to drink alcohol, hence why I'm drinking one bottle and I'm already thinking when I'm going to get the next one from. So cover, we have a huge childhood trauma unit that cover three therapies there, cover all of that, and then that's the model. But it's everything. If you come to us and we say, what's your dream? I want to own a plumbing business. We'll get your websites, we'll get you trained up.
We pay for all of this. We'll get you business cards, stuff like that. So everybody lives their dream. So when they leave us, they know what life is about. They know their identity. Most people that come here, so when we have a connection, so my mind is energy, but it sits inside the brain, hence mind over matter. So the mind is the deal. When we connect with another energy outside us, this is proven and then my neural pathways change into a pattern that will never relapse our DNA changes. Why is that important? People ask me. We're not the same people when we come in as when we go. So as long as you keep following our direction, there's certain things in the morning, certain things at night and during the day, if you continue down that row, our stats over 12 years in America shows the 98% success rate. We say to people, it's impossible to relapse unless you get one morning go. You know something, I'm done with this. Then by all means go drink. But if you've got well and you're not helping others, go drink. If you're not well and you're not making something to yourself or you and your family, go drink. It's not about getting well and sitting there in the same old apartment doing the same old things. 25% of our work in this company is pro bono.
25% is a lot for a multimillion dollar company. We will also veterans, I don't pay here. You're kidding me. No veteran pays here. We do the best PTSD treatment in the world. Nobody pays man, because I have a big heart. So all this combines becomes a life. It doesn't become a 90 day program. This is life because we truly believe you have to get well in your own environment. So imagine having two houses and let's say this is the family house with the alcoholic and they speak English. We are going to pick the guy out and stick him in our house and we're going to recovery its own language. We teach him Japanese, and then when you pick him up and put him back in the house, guess what? Going to stop speaking English. We need both houses to be speaking Japanese. So when we stick him back in, everybody's done their tram work, everybody knows what's going on and they have the information to go forward and be happy.
Dave: That's brilliant. I often will tell people that this is a family disease and that once somebody comes here for five and a half months and they get well, their family must participate in treatment and heal. Otherwise, one of two things could happen. Either the whole family and the addict heal or the addict heals and they must extricate themselves from the family. If they want to stay clean and sober.
Dr. Robb: Hey, I love you Dave.
Dave: If they put it back in a broken system, the pattern's going to repeat itself. Like your Japanese English example.
Dr. Robb: Yes, my God, I can't believe what happened. This conversation,
Dave: You talked about neurolinguistic programming, which I understand very well. I don't know if all our listeners do. You also mentioned 90 D breath work and that one I actually didn't know. Could you tell us real quick, what's 90 breath work?
Dr. Robb: So we have a studio here, but we do it online a lot. It's basically you wear headphones and a blackout mask and it's basically the vibrations and the frequency. It balances out the vibrations and frequency, and then for nine directions, the subliminal messaging going straight to the subconscious brain that you do not hear. Now, this lasts from anything from 20 minutes to an hour and a half or something like that. It re patterns, self-sabotaging neuro pathways with good neuro pathways because 300 neuro pathways die every day in the brain. A lot of people know that. A lot of people don't. What I really placed them with where we're placing them with this subliminal messaging all around the success rate. Well, let's put it this way, even online, this is the reaction. What the was that you go, right, it's new software, and then we do modulated unit, which is medical red light therapy, which frequencies neuropathways and stuff like that.
And then we have a belt with that because a lot of people know is the four chemicals in the brain, dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, endorphins. We all know that, but did you know that dopamine and serotonin are created in the gut? So you can do everything you want in here, but if you're not covering this, you're never going to be a hundred percent happy Every day. When I say to people I'm happy every day, the first thing they say, Dave, is that's impossible. And I say, who? If you don't know this information, how to get well and reprogram, you're never going to get well. You're always going to be performing. And we work with entrepreneurs to build businesses. You're always going to be performing at what people told you you can perform. So you put the brakes on the imagination, you cap out, my dad was a plumber and I'll be a plumber to start my own business. What about starting an empire? We've lost count how many people. How about
Dave: Solving homelessness for providing immediate access, integrated behavioral health or anybody who needs it?
Dr. Robb: That's what I'm talking about.
Dave: Don't tell guys like me and you. It's impossible.
Dr. Robb: No, I don't believe it. Let's forget. I want to say this, so forget political views for a second. This has nothing to do with politics, but about six or seven years ago or whatever, we had a business around the country with no political experience whatsoever. Don't dare tell me you can't achieve your dreams because it's just not true. Somebody's put that there. I say to people all the time, give me one reason you can't. That's an excuse. Give me a reason why you can't get your kids back. Earn a million dollars. Give me one reason and haven't got one. Dave, as you know, they haven't got one because we've rest upon the past. I'm never going to be blonde enough, tall enough, thin enough, or rich enough. I know that today, so I'm striving for that. You see my biggest nightmare at one time, Dave was getting to the age of 80, looking back to when I was 40 and realize there was nobody watching anyway and I could have done anything I wanted to do. Anything.
Dave: Boom. Yeah, that's beautiful. Could you tell me what's some practical advice you can give to somebody who's beginning their recovery journey?
Dr. Robb: Well, dialogue's number one. You need to start dialing with somebody. There are some great things out there. There's aa, there's na, there's all the A's out there. Therapists are good. But the only thing I would say to anybody serious about that, if you're going to seek treatment, you have to come to people like Dave and I. You can't go to a normal therapist who know nothing about, again, we tested this. I went to three therapists and I said to the first one, I have an alcohol pRobblem, blah, blah, blah. I'm over it. Not drank, but I'm still all, and he said, yeah, yeah. I said, was you an alcoholic? No, but you see these behind me five years at university. So I said, okay, here's the deal. You have a bottle of vodka behind your back and I want a drink. What do you think is going to happen? Well, you might shout at me. I will stab you in the face continuously and say bottle of vodka. Well, he was nearly call the police Dave. I did that on the second one. It's the same thing. I went to this third 180 2-year-old hippie come out and I tell the same sta scenario, do you know what she said? I stab you first. Boom. That's my girl because she's been through it. She been through different with different beasts. Definitely.
Dave: Wow, that's impressive. How do our listeners get in touch with you or your organization
Dr. Robb: If you are listening and not watching? I spend when I have two R-O-B-B-K-E-L-L y.com is the website. Jump on any search engine, put Dr. Robb Kelly in there and I'll pop up. I've lost that many count. There's pRobbably 8,000 videos of podcasts and stuff like that on onboard TVs and we have a book out there. Listen, we have a book out there called Daddy. Daddy, please Stop Drinking. It was the last thing my daughter said to me when the authorities took me off me. She was three years old. Daddy, daddy, please stop drink. Yeah, and couldn't. That's when I became homeless after that. So if I show you this, you'll understand why I'm showing you this. I don't need the money. That's me wasted. That's my daughter. She called me the title, daddy, daddy, please don't drink it. I have 10 copies to give away.
So contact Dave or myself. Just mention the show and I'll sign it. I'll mail it all free of charge in one condition that you, that's to somebody else who needs it. Don't buy off Amazon. I mean every dime on the book, not the profits. Be careful of that saying all the profits. No, no, no. All dimes spent on this goes straight out into England and America. America first obviously because I'm a citizen now. But yeah, it's jump on. Have fun, say hi, come friend us. And one thing I want to say before I go is it's very important to me. I don't sit on this high hill. I don't live in the big house on the hill, and it is very important. I don't do that. So if you are in that place that Dave and I spoke about, if you are in that kind of suicidal mindset, you sat in a one bedroom apartment, everybody's left you, you're thinking of doing something stupid.
(214) 600-0210 is my personal cell phone number. Please don't call. Obviously I'm so busy. Text me. Hey, listen, I heard you on Dave's show. I'm going through something. I don't know. The next move. I'll text you back immediately and then it'll arrange a 15 minute pep talk on the phone. That'll change your life and I'll tell you something right now, if it doesn't change your life in 15 minutes, I will personally send you a hundred dollars for wasting your time. The other thing is you call a number on the website and ask for the family unit. You'll be passed moms and dads I'm talking about you'll be passed through to an office that will spend all day with you, all week with you. It will never cost you a dime. We just want to educate you about somebody who's going through this because my mom went through it and died early because of my addiction. I don't want that to happen to anybody else. The advice is free of charge. We'll stay with you. We'll do everything we've got to do. Never charge you. No one's going to approach you. Come and take advantage of that because we are here to help.
Dave: God bless. That's amazing. Thank you. Yeah, right on. Oh, that's what I'm talking about. The name of this podcast is Human Up. For Our Closer, could you tell me, Dr. Robb Kelly, what does human up mean to you?
Dr. Robb: To me, it's kindness. To me, it's stepping forward and being a leader every single day. No matter if you're homeless or it doesn't make any difference. We're all meant to stand up women as well and be leaders in the community. Be kind. Be a little aggressive when you're going for what you want in the nicest possible way. Get a direction, go for it. Look up quantum physics. It'll back us what we say. Go for anything you want to go and make sure you're happy while you're doing it. If you're not enjoying the stuff you do now, then you have to change it. So if you are getting up in the morning, oh my boss, change your job. If you're going home to eggshells every single night with a partner, change your partner. It's not that easy. It really, it's that easy.
Dave: That's beautiful. I hundred percent agree. I know Dr. Adler, he talks about the client who was engaging in compulsive behavior and he said sometimes he couldn't engage and he would come home and he'd say, oh, finally I could do what I really wanted to do and I could make dinner and I could sit on the couch and read a book. We all have that freedom to be able to do what we really want to do. Utilizing this reprogramming of our brains, which sounds exactly what Dr. Robb Kelly has mastered, is something beautiful. Dr. Kelly, thank you so much for being a guest. I look forward to reading your book. I look forward to seeing you next time. Thanks very much for being on Human Up.
Dr. Robb: Thanks sir. Great to see you guys.